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Post by rob on Aug 8, 2013 18:22:11 GMT -5
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Post by Ood on Aug 8, 2013 18:48:49 GMT -5
Is this meaning you want to move/shut down the forums and go to reddit, or meaning you want our opinion about moving the forum to reddit?
Either way... please no?
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Shadix
Very Brave Tester
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Post by Shadix on Aug 8, 2013 19:27:29 GMT -5
A agree with Ood, please don't outsource the forums to Reddit. It angers general users of the forums (although I wouldn't oppose it, I would simply dislike it) as well as general Reddit users, as stated in the article. Redditors actually went as far as to try and get the employees of Hi-Rez banned on their site because they saw this migration of the community as an intrusion. Perhaps one day, it would be suitable to move the forums to Reddit, although I believe that simple forums such as these are much more accessible and are a better choice to Reddit.
TL;DR - People from forums didn't like it, Redditors didn't like it, don't do it please.
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Post by Guest on Aug 8, 2013 19:37:12 GMT -5
The title reads: ''Should MMO studios outsource their communities?''
The title implies: ''MMO studios should outsource their communities.''
The article shows: ''MMO studious should not outsource their communities.''
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Post by Kelsoo on Aug 8, 2013 19:39:23 GMT -5
Reddit elitists will attack you. No please?
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Post by gingerbear on Aug 9, 2013 3:03:16 GMT -5
Well, I think outsourcing forums is generally a bad idea. With todays forum motors (I'm quite fond of PhpBB although there are better ones too) one could create and maintain a good forum at low cost. Moreover, the playerbase would feel this more "of their own", since it's dedicated to the game they are playing, and also an "official" one. Things that are official always have a bigger oomph than fan/playerbase made ones. ( Even if the official forum is - literally - made by the fan/playerbase).
Outsourcing to "third party" forums, like reddit and similar, is just a cheap way of saying "I don't really care about you, here, take this, it should suffice", which likely won't help in player retention, moreover, visiting these forums could make the playerbase feel out of place. Thinking that it would pull in more players is not quite right, I think, since people generally don't base themselves out of forums and then try things, but the contrary: they try things first (play games, etc.) and then join the community (forums) afterwards if they think it's worth; So to the question of the article above: no, you shouldn't move where the population is the highest, just open some gates and they will flow right in if your ware is good.
(TL;DR: Advertising on big social media, e.g.: FB, Twitter, Reddit is good, moving there is bad. )
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Post by quicklite on Aug 9, 2013 6:21:57 GMT -5
I've seen games with official webpages on reddit. But all of those games are just there for secondary stuff. Since their reddit pages is more of an update viewer than an acutal feedback area, the game's forum is still preferred. I have not yet seen a game that has 'outsourced' its community, but I think it is a bad idea for one reason: reddit was not built for forums. Even if we aren't talking about official, dev-made forums like the wildshadow ones (at least I think those were dev-made  ). Things like the Kongregate Forum-Base and, well, Proboards (tho Proboards isn't just for games) are there for the sole purpose of allowing game-makers to host cheap, effective forums. reddit is a social media site for people to find subreddits about things they love and discuss them with other people with the same interests, even if that interest is just having a laugh. Forumers don't want to be on some cheap subreddit because that's not what reddit is for, they feel like the devs 'couldn't bother' to make an actual forum, let alone all the flames they might get from, as Kelsoo stated it, reddit elitists, who despise this invasion of their territory with what they percieve as a cheap advertisement of a forum-board. So in the end, people leave. As gingerbear said, feel free to have stuff there. But don't make it the only stuff. |
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Post by amitp on Aug 9, 2013 10:22:39 GMT -5
The Wild Shadow forums and wiki and IRC were fan-made.
I think the answer is going to be very different for larger teams vs small teams. Sometimes with a small dev team they just aren't wanting to spend less time developing the game in order to work on forum software. Bigger teams usually have someone dedicated to community management including forums.
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Post by Ood on Aug 9, 2013 10:37:32 GMT -5
The Wild Shadow forums and wiki and IRC were fan-made. I think the answer is going to be very different for larger teams vs small teams. Sometimes with a small dev team they just aren't wanting to spend less time developing the game in order to work on forum software. Bigger teams usually have someone dedicated to community management including forums. Even if nothing more comes of this board than what it is right now (even add in 100s of more users), it's better than reddit. |
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Post by quicklite on Aug 9, 2013 10:38:15 GMT -5
@amit, I knew the wiki and IRC were fan-made, but the entire forum? I'm impressed!
I know that smaller teams can't afford or do not have the time to make official, from-scratch forums. But isn't that what sites like this are for? To design a forum on here, kongregate, or several other forum sites for that matter, you don't need money, and you only need a few minutes of your time. There's no need to use reddit for this sort of thing.
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Post by Ood on Aug 9, 2013 10:44:09 GMT -5
This forum is free, in case anyone didn't know.
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Post by israphial on Aug 9, 2013 13:53:50 GMT -5
There's nothing wrong with experimenting.
See how the forums population likes it.
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fsm
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Post by fsm on Aug 10, 2013 20:28:40 GMT -5
I love reddit, but it would be terrible as a substitute for a forum.
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Post by Ood on Aug 12, 2013 13:29:07 GMT -5
Skinned forum looks nice. Thanks Rob (or did Amit do it?)
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Shadix
Very Brave Tester
Dance water, dance!
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Post by Shadix on Aug 12, 2013 13:38:21 GMT -5
Yeah, looks pretty good. Thank you!
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). Things like the Kongregate Forum-Base and, well, Proboards (tho Proboards isn't just for games) are there for the sole purpose of allowing game-makers to host cheap, effective forums. reddit is a social media site for people to find subreddits about things they love and discuss them with other people with the same interests, even if that interest is just having a laugh. Forumers don't want to be on some cheap subreddit because that's not what reddit is for, they feel like the devs 'couldn't bother' to make an actual forum, let alone all the flames they might get from, as Kelsoo stated it, reddit elitists, who despise this invasion of their territory with what they percieve as a cheap advertisement of a forum-board. So in the end, people leave. 