Will's Ideas

[Will]

This will be my idea thread, I'll put all of my ideas here so I don't have to create several different threads and clog up the forums.

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Idea for no more convoy rape - more worlds/grids

There needs to be more than one Grid12 in the future for this game. As this game picks up steam and gets more players, (which I GUARANTEE you will happen since this game is so good and the only reason hundreds of people don't play is because it's a well-kept secret) it will get too easy. Right now, I'd put a cap on each Grid of 15 people per Grid. I think the best route for this game is to take the route that Minecraft did, have different servers but, unlike Minecraft, allow items and tanks to be kept even when switching Grids. By this I mean that there will be different servers that can be either user-hosted or developer hosted. This is also a good way to earn money for the game. Players can pay to host servers that can be either public or private, thus keeping the game alive.

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New Tank - Vampire

Guns:
Main Gun - DMG: 30 CD: .5 DPS/sec: 60
AntiMinion Gun - DMG: 15 CD: .5 DPS/sec: 30
AntiMinion Gun - DMG: 15 CD: .5 DPS/sec: 30

Each enemy kill is +10 to shield regen, range = 2000

Shields:
Shield #1: 100, Regen rate 1000/s, delay of 200 ms
Shield #2: 150, Regen rate 1000/s, delay of 200 ms
Shield #3: 100, Regen rate 1000/s, delay of 200 ms

Shield Layout:


Triggers:
#1 - Boosts attack speed by 10% and damage by 10% for 5 seconds, recharge of 30
#2 - Instantly restores all shields, recharge of 35
#3 - Each kill is +20 to shield regen instead of +10 for 10 seconds, recharge of 45
#4 - Invisible for 5 seconds, recharge of 35

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HUD addition - range finder

Basically the HUD should not only show shields, but range as well. That would help a ton.

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Buff the Valkyrie's back shield and nerf the front shield

The Valkyrie is a useless tank. Yes, it has a shotgun, yes it has great DPS, but it is useless. With a back shield that has only 120 strength, it is very hard to use. It just doesn't make sense. It specializes in NOTHING. It really has no place in the game. While some tanks with poor back shield strength compensate by having special triggers like Corsair, (Its #3 trigger deals an incredible amount of damage) or Wildfire, which specializes in clearing out cores of Maze Regions by cloaking and then using a damage boost, the Valkyrie has nothing. My proposition is this: Nerf the front two Shields to 200 strength, buff the back Shield to 200 strength. This would at least make the Valkyrie useful for combat.

Note: I may come up with a better idea for this one so this is a WIP

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New Tank - Landslide

Guns:
AntiGround Gun - DMG: 20 CD: 1 sec DPS/sec: 20
AntiGround Gun - DMG: 20 CD: 1 sec DPS/sec: 20
AntiGround Gun - DMG: 20 CD: 1 sec DPS/sec: 20
AntiGround Gun - DMG: 20 CD: 1 sec DPS/sec: 20
AntiGround Gun - DMG: 20 CD: 1 sec DPS/sec: 20
AntiGround Gun - DMG: 20 CD: 1 sec DPS/sec: 20
Main Gun - DMG: 30 CD: 1 sec DPS/sec: 30 (Only gun that targets air units)

Note: All guns can only target 1 enemy at a time, range is 2000

Shields:
Shield #1: 150, Regen rate 1000/s, delay of 1000ms
Shield #2: 150, Regen rate 1000/s, delay of 1000ms
Shield #3: 150, Regen rate 1000/s, delay of 1000ms
Shield #4: 150, Regen rate 1000/s, delay of 500ms

Shield Layout:



Triggers:
#1 - Regens Shield #4, CD of 30 seconds
#2 - Switches to defense mode until switched back, Defense mode boosts all shields by 150, but only Main gun fires, CD of 5 seconds
#3 - Charges like a bull to where the tank is pointing for 4 tiles, stunning all enemies in the path of the charge for 3 seconds, CD of 40 seconds
#4 - All guns switch to Anti-Minion mode for 5 seconds, enabling them to target more than one enemy at a time, CD of 25 seconds

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NOTE: Credit to Crunch on the avatars, I really appreciate it

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New Tank - Radiator (Need help on name actually)

Guns:
Laser Gun - DMG: 70/sec DPS: 70/sec Range: 3000

Note: There is no CD at all, the Tank shoots an endless laser that pierces all targets and aims at the target with the most HP that can be seen

Shields:
Shield #1: 200, Regen rate 750/s, delay of 500ms, rotates around tank to block any incoming shots
Shield #2: 200, Regen rate 500/s, delay of 1000ms

Shield Layout:



Triggers:
#1 - Goes into Extreme Prejudice mode, where tank cannot move at all but Laser does 100% more damage. CD of 10 seconds
#2 - Instantly recharges Shield #1, CD of 45 seconds
#3 - Goes into CQB mode, where laser shoots out like a cartoon Sun Ray would with 4 shots, forming a 90 degree angle between the right, outermost ray and the left, outermost ray, with 30 degree angles between each ray. Each ray does 40 damage/sec and has 2000 range, the Radiator's shields buff to 250 each, but the Radiator's movement speed is decreased by 10% when in CQB mode, CD of 30 seconds
#4 - Tank goes back to Normal Mode, CD of 30 seconds

Modules:
#1 Laser damage (1.07)
#2 Laser gun turn rate (1.05) need help on turn rate stats
#3 Trigger 2 recharge rate (5% decrease per)

New Tank - Ghost
Guns:
Main Gun - DMG: 90 CD: .5 DPS/sec: 180

Can only shoot when in Battle Mode (will explain later)

Shields:
Shield #1: 200, Regen rate 750/s, delay of 1000 ms

(Shield goes around the tank 360 degrees)

Triggers:
#1 - Switches into Battle Mode, this is the only way the Ghost can fight, otherwise the default is Stealth Mode where the Ghost cannot scout/uncover space, cooldown of 8 seconds
#2 - Leaves a Beacon that reveals a 4x4 square of the Grid, can only place 1 unless you reset the beacon which you can do by using this ability again, if you die, the beacon resets automatically (Note: Beacons do not permanently identify areas, so you cannot discover cities or minerals by using them)
#3 - Stuns nearby targets for 3 seconds (1000 range radius), 45 second cooldown
#4 - Doubles Damage for 5 seconds (only applicable in Battle Mode), No-clips for 5 seconds (only applicable in Ghost Mode)

The Ghost specializes in wall regions, where, now that the red-cheerio shooters have been nerfed, the Trailblazer is no longer needed to run through the maze. The Ghost can find the door to the core and allow teammates to teleport in. Beacons can be used to identify the entrances to wall regions. Please note that the Ghost cannot uncover any kind of space and cannot scout for cities or minerals as said before because there is no way to discover them.

I won't make modules considering this tank is just an idea like all my other tanks. But if I were to do so I would make a module for Trigger 1 cooldown speed, Trigger 3 duration, and Trigger 4 duration

[Justin]

inb4 people hack items into the game on their own private servers like they do with terraria.

[Will]

Gonna keep this topic alive for the time being

[fire]

Feb 15, 2014 13:27:37 GMT -5 Justin said:

inb4 people hack items into the game on their own private servers like they do with terraria.

along the lines of what i thought when I first read the post. Would also like to point out that convoys are not all created equal. As of now the flux/quantum voys both manage to kill quite a few people even if a large number is on. I would also like to add that private servers on a game like minecraft is fine, but in a game like this it would certainly deter me from wanting to play. I just wouldn't really get the same feel if there weren't hundreds of players playing along side me.

On a side note your tank idea seems interesting, but shield delay seems a tad short. (might just be me though)

[Justin]

Feb 25, 2014 19:13:45 GMT -5 fire said:

along the lines of what i thought when I first read the post. Would also like to point out that convoys are not all created equal. As of now the flux/quantum voys both manage to kill quite a few people even if a large number is on. I would also like to add that private servers on a game like minecraft is fine, but in a game like this it would certainly deter me from wanting to play. I just wouldn't really get the same feel if there weren't hundreds of players playing along side me.

This goes along with my post in a different thread (Kelsoo's thread about the walls I believe).

There's really nothing to do in the game besides unlocking all the tanks and competing for high scores even though it's a cooperative game. The 'host your own server' idea would ruin both of those aspects, leaving no purpose at all for playing.

Will, you also don't seem to understand how servers work. Mojang doesn't host all the servers. Other websites do. I'm pretty sure they only make money off of all the users who buy the game (which is a pretty large amount).

[Will]

Ya, it was really a shot in the dark, Justin, I don't know how one could monetize this game though. Skins is an idea I guess, like alternate skins for each tank buy-able by money only, as well as tanks that can only be acquired via-real life money, but I think that once this game goes into production, it will be interesting to see what Rob thinks of in terms of making money from this game. Because really, he needs revenue to keep this game alive.

Also, Justin, while websites host the servers, Rob could always advertise those websites and earn money from that, but on second thought I don't like the idea of player hosted servers anyways.

EDIT: New tank Landslide has been added.

[Will]

Well, I'll give this a bump to let everyone know that I added something.

[Will]

updated and new

[Will]

Someone besides me please comment my ideas cannot be this boring lol

[Deleted]

You really need to stop with these mode-switching tanks.
Srsly.

Vampire seems very specialised, due to the reliance on killing minions. The main gun deals 60 dps, but has a low-ish range. Against small fortresses like alpha's, you would probably never drop shields. However, against larger fortresses vampire would pretty useless compared to many other clearing tanks. Example: Exterminators have no minions, and 3~ missiles would kill you; drill stations would be absolutely horrible. It can't do any 'endgame' content either.

I have no idea what Landslide would be used for. IMO, Phantom would be better in most cases (better shields, less damage but has damage triggers + targets air). But maybe that's just because I don't understand the 4th trigger...

The Radiator *might* be overpowered. It deals 70 damage with 3000 range + piercing. This will be enough to take down small fortresses without stopping (literally). The ray mode would be even better at clearing, as it has even more dps, better shields, and will take care of all minions in the general area. The no-moving mode will destroy things like novas, watchtowers and drill stations (considering you can snipe half the walls down with 3000 range).
The low shields (not sure how shield 1 would work?) balance it out a little, but it definitely needs a damage nerf. Because currently, it has higher dps than any other tank: 138 normal mode, 276 stationary mode and 315 ray mode. For comparison, a Cutlass has 185 dps (all guns), while a Thunderbolt has a measly 114 dps.
(assuming fully modded tanks for above dps)

I have no idea how the Ghost works. Can it move in uncovered space? Can it move in the beacon area? What happens if the beacon deactivates while you are in the area? Can you uncover spaces in battle mode? What is the gun range?
But going from what I can figure out, Ghost would be useless. Why bother using it in mazes when you can use Trailblazer, a tank the can scout and discover minerals/towns? It would be useless for regular scouting. However, it could be possible to clear with its 180 dps, if the range was high enough.

Ideas are good, but need balancing. Think in the context of the game, and make sure they are distinguished from existing tanks. Try to have a clear purpose for each tank.

[Will]

^Ty for review, but Tbolt doesn't deal 114 DPS fully modded. Hehe. More like 200ish

Also, the Vampire could perhaps have shield steal? Like it gets 5% of the damage it deals back into its shield and with this change maybe the Vampire shoots 1 shot per second with 65 damage per shot? I dunno.

[Deleted]

(1.05^10)*70 = 114 (w/o prisms)
114*1.2*1.2 = 164.2 (w/ prisms)
Not including triggers though.

[Will]

^The damage is at like 168 but close enough